The Facts Are In: Cheney Lied, Lied, Lied
Dick Cheney initially did not appear to be blown out of the debate as badly as George Bush, but as the fact checking has progressed the debate can increasingly be used as evidence of the dishonesty of the Bush/Cheney Administration. Even Fact Check, initially cited by Dick Cheney in his defense, put out a report refuting him.
Cheney claim of not having met Edwards was quickly refuted. Some Senators pointed out that Cheney's visit to the Senate consists of little more than weekly lunches with Republican Senators, with John Edwards not invited. Photos and videos have surfaced showing Cheney meeting with Edwards on more than one occasion. As I noted earlier, even Senator Frisk has defended Edwards and Kerry for being absent while running for President.
During the debate, Dick Cheney told people to go to factcheck.com for evidence backing him on Edwards criticism of his ties to Haluburton. If they went to factcheck.com, they would have wound up at George Soro's site. The true, nonpartisan Fact Check at factcheck.org also refuted Cheney with this report emailed to subscribers this morning:
From other recent reports, visitors to Fact Check would learn the following:
Bush Mischaracterizes Kerry's Health Plan
10.04.2004 Bush claims Kerry's plan puts "bureaucrats in control" of medical decisions, "not you, not your doctor." But experts don't agree with that.
The "Willie Horton" Ad Of 2004?
09.28.2004
Republican group's ad shows Osama, Kerry. It appeals to fear, and twists Kerry's record on defense, intelligence, Iraq.
Bush Ad Twists Kerry's Words on Iraq
09.27.2004
Selective use of Kerry's own words makes him look inconsistent on Iraq. A closer look gives a different picture.
Of course being nonpartisan, Fact Check does comment on Kerry commercials and campaign statements. Compared to the major lies coming from the Bush campaign, the comments on the Kerry campaign are quite trivial. They often amount to not providing all the information in a thirty second commercial, without really being inaccurate. For example, as Fact Check pointed out, Dick Cheney might not be profiting at the moment from Halliburton's income, but the no bid contracts granted to it would have been expected to benefit Cheney long term.
Some claim that Halliburton's expertise was sufficient reason for a no bid contract. Such considerations are different when the Vice President who pushed so hard for the war was a former President of the corporation, requiring different procedures in light of this clear conflict of interest. The real problem is that, with all the reasons given for going to war having been discredited, the war is looking more and more like mechanism to provide a profit to people such as Halliburton and the Carlyle Group.
Thanks to John Edwards, the truth about Dick Cheney is becomming increasingly apparent. As has been true so often during the campaign, Cheney had no defense other than a string of lies. Edwards was the clear winner of this debate.
Cheney claim of not having met Edwards was quickly refuted. Some Senators pointed out that Cheney's visit to the Senate consists of little more than weekly lunches with Republican Senators, with John Edwards not invited. Photos and videos have surfaced showing Cheney meeting with Edwards on more than one occasion. As I noted earlier, even Senator Frisk has defended Edwards and Kerry for being absent while running for President.
During the debate, Dick Cheney told people to go to factcheck.com for evidence backing him on Edwards criticism of his ties to Haluburton. If they went to factcheck.com, they would have wound up at George Soro's site. The true, nonpartisan Fact Check at factcheck.org also refuted Cheney with this report emailed to subscribers this morning:
Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.
In fact, we did post an article pointing out that Cheney hasn't profited personally while in office from Halliburton's Iraq contracts, as falsely implied by a Kerry TV ad. But Edwards was talking about Cheney's responsibility for earlier Halliburton troubles. And in fact, Edwards was mostly right.The report also debunks the false claim that Edwards and Kerry voted for the war.
From other recent reports, visitors to Fact Check would learn the following:
Bush Mischaracterizes Kerry's Health Plan
10.04.2004 Bush claims Kerry's plan puts "bureaucrats in control" of medical decisions, "not you, not your doctor." But experts don't agree with that.
The "Willie Horton" Ad Of 2004?
09.28.2004
Republican group's ad shows Osama, Kerry. It appeals to fear, and twists Kerry's record on defense, intelligence, Iraq.
Bush Ad Twists Kerry's Words on Iraq
09.27.2004
Selective use of Kerry's own words makes him look inconsistent on Iraq. A closer look gives a different picture.
Of course being nonpartisan, Fact Check does comment on Kerry commercials and campaign statements. Compared to the major lies coming from the Bush campaign, the comments on the Kerry campaign are quite trivial. They often amount to not providing all the information in a thirty second commercial, without really being inaccurate. For example, as Fact Check pointed out, Dick Cheney might not be profiting at the moment from Halliburton's income, but the no bid contracts granted to it would have been expected to benefit Cheney long term.
Some claim that Halliburton's expertise was sufficient reason for a no bid contract. Such considerations are different when the Vice President who pushed so hard for the war was a former President of the corporation, requiring different procedures in light of this clear conflict of interest. The real problem is that, with all the reasons given for going to war having been discredited, the war is looking more and more like mechanism to provide a profit to people such as Halliburton and the Carlyle Group.
Thanks to John Edwards, the truth about Dick Cheney is becomming increasingly apparent. As has been true so often during the campaign, Cheney had no defense other than a string of lies. Edwards was the clear winner of this debate.
posted by Ron Chusid at 9:11 AM
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The latest Cheney lie to be debunked. Following is from Daily Kos:
Man, it's easier to catalogue the truthful statments... From Atrios:
Edwards' hometown newspaper:
CHENEY: "Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you Senator Gone." (An archive search finds no such reference in The News & Observer.
...Look, a mention in a weekly paper that isn't in his "hometown" does not qualify as his "hometown newspaper". If he'd said, "one newspaper in your home state," it would have been a stretch,* but not a lie. As said, it's a lie.
Yup. As for hometown papers, the Pilot is published in a town that is 20 miles away from Edwards' actualy home town.
I'm making it official -- Cheney is a pathological liar.
"There was a risk, a real risk, that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons or materials or information to terrorist networks," he declared. "In the world after September 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take." George W. Bush
From the above quote, isn't it WISE to go after the terrorists and crush them, rather than Saddam? Any sane person/leader would deploy maximum resources/efforts to crush the terrorists first and deal with saddam supposedly "risks" later.
John Kerry and his strategists should picking apart the "Bushites" lies and deceptions. Dick Cheney should asked to tell the American people, under oath, what he knows prior to 9/11 and why he predicts doom, if the American people vote someone other than the Bush - Cheney ticket on election day.
I don't know about you, but i smell a rat...a conspiracy here...
Downunder....
John Kerry needs to get on with the business of figuring out what he believes in. Leave running the country to people with a backbone and convictions. It is easy for Kerry to say whatever he thinks the people of the nation want to hear, worst case, he loses goes back to live in one of his many estates and spend his wife's 700 million dollars. It's tough being on the side of the common man isn't it.
John Kerry knows what he believes in, and has shown he has far more backbone and convictions than George Bush.
That's another big lie of the Bush campaign--the claim that he says what people want to hear. Kerry has been very consistent in his statements over the years, whether popular or unpopular.
If you dislike Kerry so much, why don't you show any backbone and criticize him for his actual stands, rather than quoting the lies of the Bush campaign about Kerry?
As the fact checking continues, it looks worse and worse for Cheney. He criticized Edwards' voting percentage claiming to have not seen him in his position of President of the Senate. Now we find that during almost four years in office Cheney has precided over the Senate twice.
Once the Kerry/Edwards ticket takes power in November, the republican opposition should be rounded up and imprisoned for their lies. Supporters should be watched for and subversive activity and any children they have taken and safeguarded.
Great sport, Ron, watching the Freepers squirm!
http://www.bush-flipflop.com
There's a new one today that shows a Cheney flip-flop related to his assertion in the debate last night that "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11" ...
I'm sure these Bush/Cheney lies will sear in our minds as John Kerry's memories of Christmas in Cambodia in 1968 under President Nixon's orders. C'mon, don't be a dope! All politicians lie. The smart people don't bother to listen.
Hey, man, give these people a break. They are the same fools that think multi-millionaires stay up at night thinking about giving tax breaks to lesser individuals. I'm sure they think millionaires can't wait to tax themselves. Sure they're fools. Most people are.
The WMD Dance
There were weapons of mass destruction.
Well, maybe there weren’t, but there was the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.
Well, perhaps not, but there were plans to create the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.
OK, there weren’t really any plans, but it seemed like there was evidence that there were plans.
OK, there wasn’t any evidence that there were plans, but everybody was telling us that there was evidence that there were plans.
OK, maybe there weren’t weapons of mass destruction, and there wasn’t a capacity to make them, and there weren’t plans to create the capacity to make them, and maybe there wasn’t any evidence that there were plans to create the capacity to make them, and maybe it wasn’t everybody who was saying that there was evidence but only some people . . .
and actually there were other people who said there wasn’t any evidence that there were plans to create the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction . . . .
but we thought they were unpatriotic, wimpy, disloyal, soft-headed peaceniks so we didn’t pay attention to them.
Who knew?
Iraq never had Weapons on Mass Destruction. The lies of the Kurds and the Persias fed the press propaganda. None of those films were real. They were created in the same studio as Star Wars.
bush-flipflop.com Video of Edwards Cheney in 2001, Cheney Lie Caught on Tape
Go here to see it ...
http://www.bush-flipflop.com
"Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." --
Nazi leader Hermann Goering from the Nuremberg trials.
Sounds familiar, never thought it would happen in the USA.
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